New Terror Plans

by shahid on August 24, 2005


Charles Clarke has had a fortnight to come up with this, a list of grounds for deporting people who foment, justify or glorify terrorist violence. I’ve picked out some of the choice ones.

New grounds for deporting and excluding people from the UK - including fostering hatred or, advocating and justifying violence to further beliefs. The powers will cover statements already on record.

These grounds would deport/exclude parliament, the media, the police and of course the BNP, who have been fostering hatred for ages, killed a load of people and seemingly got away with it scot free. As for Tony Blair, well, forget it. He’s going somewhere really nasty. And it ain’t Barbados sunshine.

Agreements with other countries, such as Jordan, to ensure people can be deported to their nations of origin without being tortured or ill-treated

Oh, that’s really humane. Like sending Chilean political dissidents back to Pinochet all those years back. We let him in here remember? And we looked after him and let him leave freely then.

Amend human rights laws, if necessary, to prevent legal obstacles to new deportation rules

Amend human rights laws? So we can become more, or less humane?

Home secretary automatically to consider deporting any foreigner involved in listed extremist bookshops, centres, organisations and websites

So we will consider deporting Jews, Christians, Hindus and oh, no, we can’t deport the BNP. This one is just about pakis, arabs, niggers, basically, people who aren’t white. And for mentioning Jews, I am automatically a Nazi and Freedman and all the other fuckos in media will want me deported too.

Make justifying or glorifying terrorism anywhere an offence

That’s right. Rule out any discussion. End debate. Nobody can discuss what’s wrong. The time for talk is over. This is a declaration of war by our government on free speech. Because by saying “We should get out of Iraq because we’re there illegally and it isn’t our country”, I am justifying terrorism, right?

Automatically refuse asylum to anyone with anything to do with terrorism anywhere

That means George W. Bush and Ariel Sharon will never be able to set foot in this country again. I’m ok with that.

Consult on setting a maximum time limit for extraditions to other countries - Tony Blair has said it was unacceptable that Rashid Ramda, wanted for the Paris Metro bombing 10 years ago, was still in the UK

This is fair enough actually. It’s not like France are going to torture this guy, so if he’s wanted, we’re in the EU, send him over without delay.

Examine calls for police to be able to hold terror suspects for longer before pressing charges

Whoa. You mean like Belmarsh? Accuse anyone of terror and that’s it, you can hold them for as long as you like? What, until the police beat a confession out of you? Because that is what their record is all about. Killing people who are not white in custody and pretending they choked on their own broken ribs or something?

Use more control orders against British terror suspects, who cannot be deported

I’m sure the law-lords will tear anyone a new arsehole trying this one again. In all of this, the law-lords have actually been quite good. And so has Cherie Blair, despite her singing, but oh yes, she’s a QC. Still some decent people in authority you know.

Increase the number of special judges hearing terror cases

As long as they’re not government lackeys. What does “special judges” mean anyway?

HIZB UT TAHRIR
Hizb ut Tahrir or HT is an Islamic splinter group, which is banned in some countries, including Germany
It was established in the Middle East in the 1950s with the aim of creating a single Islamic state ruled by Sharia law
A statement posted after last month’s G8 summit said the “colonialists, especially America and Britain, harbour a hidden hatred against Islam and the Muslims”

A lot of people have got the wrong end of the stick about this group. They make anti-semitic statements, true. They’re naive at times, true. But we allow people like that in this country already, and they’re called the BNP. Some of their views might be offensive, but that’s no reason for us to turn into everything we accuse other more repressive regimes of. If they’re full of shit, let the people judge. Or are the government now saying that people are no longer fit to run their own lives, form their own opinions? I thought so!

Already announced were plans to ban the Hizb ut Tahrir and the successor organisation of Al-Muhajiroun - and look at whether the grounds for banning such groups need to be widened

The latter organisation was daft, small, insignificant and banning it was fair enough in my book. The former is a perfectly legit organisation that is actually opposed to violence. They have been woefully misrepresented because they have been naive and silly, but there is a lot more about them than the media have suggested. I wouldn’t necessarily join them, far from it, but I respect their right to speak. That’s what Britain is about, surely?

Review the threshold for gaining British citizenship and establish, with the Muslim community, a commission to advise how to better integrate parts of the community “presently inadequately integrated”

I totally agree with this. I’m sick of the ghettos myself. We’re in England, fucking well make the effort to speak the language.

Create a list of foreign preachers who will be kept out of the UK and consult on creating new powers to close places of worship used to foment extremism

The former is ridiculous. The Americans have done this with their no-fly lists and other such nonsense. They end up excluding children and Ted Kennedy. Now, Tariq Ramadhan was demonised by the British media and is yet one of the most eloquent voices who can help bridge the gap between Islam and the West. The future can be made better by people of his calibre. As for closing places of worship used to forment extremism, who decides this? And perhaps you should close down the BNP?

{ 7 comments… read them below or add one }

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ChaoticOverSeas 08.24.05 at 10:29 pm

Shah Shah
agree with some points, however it should be noted that the same rules apply to the wanky BNP. No individual or group can preach or incite violence against any other individual or group. They can call for segregation, deportation of foriegners or whatever but as soon as they say “We should organise and kill all Pakis” it becomes a hate crime…obviously they can’t get deported being in their country of birth/citizenship…but (hopefully) they can be locked in a cell with Bubba and AAAhnimal

i think there is a great difference between openly criticizing and protesting a government’s foreign policy, speaking out against the war, etc and glorifying or justifying terrorism against a country one lives in and is not a citizen of

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sau 08.24.05 at 10:53 pm

John Pilger`s article from last week`s New Statesman; another excellent one, drips with the usual contempt and vitriol towards Blair, deserved as always. He mentions police “video vans” cruising the streets…

http://pilger.carlton.com/print/133475

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Shahid 08.25.05 at 9:57 am

ChaoticOverSeas: “i think there is a great difference between openly criticizing and protesting a government’s foreign policy, speaking out against the war, etc and glorifying or justifying terrorism against a country one lives in and is not a citizen of”

Agreed, but it’s up to the government to define what “justifying terrorism” is. If they think that calling for the Israeli occupation to be ended as forcefully as they are currently enforcing it, or suggesting that the Iraqis have a right to repel people from what is after all, their country is “justifying terrorism”, then a lot of people get fucked over. That’s the danger!

Sau: Many thanks for the link - I will read up.

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Shahid 08.25.05 at 2:32 pm

sau - that was an excellent article. Many thanks. I would recommend it to everyone too!

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de 08.25.05 at 4:11 pm

I’m interested in the other countries” deportation idea.

This sounds like we are going to ask dodgy regimes if they would please take their radicals back without beheading them on prime time TV. In response, said dodgy regime says “sure, just keep sending us the hi tech weapons” with a big smile.

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PostmansKnock 08.26.05 at 3:52 am

The one entertaining thought about Plod with his mobile CCTV etc., is that when they come to look at it, need it for evidence the dumb fuckwits will have lost it.

Let’s not overlook the fact that everything that the Gubment proposes in the UK, the Opposition in the form of mad Howaard and his punishment freaks endorses without a thought.

…as fer yer actual Liberals… even that twat Simin Hughes was fingering his collarnervoulsy when asked about the Jordanian bollocks…talking about “enforcing” any agreement … what are we going to do if Abdullah pulls out the fingernails of a Mad Mullah invade ?… or will we send a “stiff”: diplomatic note round for him to wipe his arse on ?

Let’s face it, with a very few noble and notable exceptions (Onslow being one) in the House of Lords the Houses of Parliament are no watchdogs of our Liberty.

We are on our own , and with the web our a coherent , collective voice will become heard and will make it’s mark.

Mark my words, the blogosphere is in it’s political infancy.

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Shahid 08.26.05 at 8:55 am

I hope you’re right postmansknock, I really hope you’re right.

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