The four terrorists who killed 56 people in London on July 7 triggered the bombs themselves by pressing a device similar to a button, senior police sources have told the Guardian.
Senior police sources? You’re having a laugh if you expect anyone to believe any shit you ever spout again. How convenient that after a few days of utter buggery at the hands of the hypocritical media, you chuck out this nugget in the hope of some redemption.
Were these the same senior police sources who have twice admitted the bombings were very likely not “suicide bombings”?
Former anti-terrorism squad bomb expert Tony Dedman said: “It could be a positive push switch, where you push it and the bomb explodes, or a dead man’s switch where you push it in and it won’t go off until you release it.”
“Could be”? You mean you don’t know? Of course you don’t. You’re just putting more pictures into the minds of the gullible public. They can deduce their own story from the facts like they did after you lied your way through the weeks that followed your murder of Jean Charles de Menezes.
“There were no mobile phone timers on the seventh,” one source said. “They were manually activated”.
Right, there were no mobile phone timers because in all likelihood, there were no suicide bombers. Remember, unlike any other “Muslim”-”suicide bomber”, no note or video or tape was left and nobody heard “Allahu-Akbar”. Releasing this pathetic nugget still doesn’t address all of the obvious anomalies - like the fact that there are no witnesses who can tell us who blew themselves up. The only statement we have is from that plant who lied about some guy messing with a rucksack when we have shown that story was not credible.
In the failed attacks on July 21, where the bombs were recovered largely intact, the devices were also to be “manually activated”, the sources said.
Well of course they’d say that. They’ll clutch at the thinnest straws to try and link the two events. Funny, the headlines shift from “attempted suicide bombings” to “failed attacks”. Any moron can tell the two events weren’t linked. No doubt the newspapers will pick up on their own stupidity after they’ve milked the story for all they can.
More smoke, mirrors and arse-covering from an organisation that executes people, destroys evidence and lies, lies and lies again.
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Stef 08.24.05 at 1:08 pm
No timers, yet we’re told the bombs went off virtually simultaneously?
So we’re either dealing with pyschic suicide bombers or fanatics with a great sense of rhythm.
Cross OverSeas 08.24.05 at 9:12 pm
Urm, pyschic or they all wore a watch.But if you like you can stick to the pyschic theory.
I guess the obvious question if there is this mass government conspiracy (and i am not saying either way) is WHY? Why would the UK government plant bombs underneath a bunch of trains, as well as a bus, kill a bunch of it’s own citizens, frame some more of it’s citizens, have one of the most advanced intelligence agencies in the world knock up bad photoshop imagery (haha i can see MI6 using photoshop now) and perform an impossible feat of logistical covering up with no leaks, all on the first day of the G7 summit (which would mean undoubtedly that the US intelligence agencies would also be in on it) all in order to achieve what???? Now i am not saying there is no covering up of details going on and some elements smell a bit fishy, but is it really all a nefarious plan concoted by Blair?
ChillinOverSeas 08.24.05 at 10:01 pm
did i say G7? Of course i meant G8…i am a plank when i am without my espresso
Stef 08.25.05 at 1:43 pm
@cross overseas: re. the watch gag, my original comment was made in response to the repeated story that no timing mechanisms were found in the bombers’ remains. So presumably they found no watches or mobile phone but, hang on, they did find mobile phones. We know that because we’ve just been told that the bloke on the bus was frantically trying to call his fellow suicide bombers even after he would have known they’d blown themselves up. It’s funny what people choose to believe isn’t it?
de 08.25.05 at 3:39 pm
@cross overseas
One answer (to your question) is simple enough - its to alter the political environment to allow for the continuing of the neocon agenda. See “false flag” operations in the other blogs.
But really, I swouldn’t bother going there. Look at your own text. Now replace “government” with “suicide bombers”. Why would suicide bombers kill a bunch of citizens? Are they attempting to claim independnce for Leeds?
The official answer also involves a conspiracy called Al-Qeada, who have a nefarious plan. This nefarious plan involves a mastermind that - oddly - no one has seen in years. Odd, eh?
ChilledOverSeas (it's a sunny day) 08.26.05 at 3:13 am
My overarching point is that if one is to talk conspiracy theories in repudiating accounts, facts (contested or otherwise), heresay, etc., it seems to me that overtly credible counter-arguments are a must. Unfortunately this usually doesn’t happen (and i’m talking both right and left wing theories). Let me be clear; i am not saying i believe or disbelieve either the ‘facts’ portrayed by the Government or by Bloggers here….anyway with that said i’ll respond to:
Stef: Let’s have a look at the official response, the time it was made and by whom regarding specifically what was being stated about timing devices. I don’t have the statements so i can’t fully comment, but i will say it is absolutely LUDICROUS to believe that NO mobile phone ‘remains’ were found at the bomb sites. Can you imagine 3 carriages and one bus full of people in the UK and not one mobile phone?
Saying ‘presumably’ no watches were found makes no sense. Why?? What exactly are the bombers remains?? If i were wearing a watch and blew myself up i’m not sure where the watch fragments would end up or what would happen to my watch. I think it is credible that these four kids COULD have been wearing watches.
Why do you think that it is not credible that the bloke on the bus frantically placed calls to the other three alleged bombers? Suspend you belief for a minute and assume the official story is true. if that’s the case then the bloke on the bus should have blown himself up 40 odd mins earlier…he did not manage to do that so it is credible that he might assume the other three may also have not…it is also credible that he called to check. (i feel as though i keep needing to say this but i am not saying this is my belief, just what can be argued as credible).
Last thing to Stef, and i m saying this without disrespect, but adding a sarcastic remark at the end of making a point doesn’t make ones point any more believeable.
De: Are you saying the British Government did this to allow for “the Americans” to achieve the goals outlined by PNAC? (obviously the Labour party cannot by any strecth of imagination be described as Neo-Conservative). I am well aware of the theory of ‘false flag operations’…but i find it difficult to believe that this was staged by the UK government in association with Mossad for the goals of a group of Americans, at a time where anti Iraq-war sentiment is running at an all time high around the globe (ergo backlash to foreign policy is likely) Also after the Madrid bombings, the populace of Spain elected a government that promptly pulled it’s troops out of Iraq, whereby there were then cries that the terrorists achieved their goal…So isn’t it reasonable to assume that orchestrating this in London wouldn’t necessarily guarantee that the sheeple would then hate the Middle East and rally around the government of a country to continue the battle. Furthermore this highly sophisticated operation by leading intelligence agencies that apparently do this for a living also made such basic errors such as NOT fabricating sucide notes, NOT covering the ‘who will claim responsibility’ angle, creating badly photoshoped (would that have 2 p’s?) images, informing the Israeli PM in ADVANCE then allowing that to become public knowledge thereby replicating the same claim made after 9/11 etc…And what about these kids families…if it were my kids and i had the slightest inclination that something was awry i would be making a stink at every opportunity…but i’m open to reasonable debate.
Ok so i replaced the words in my text and…suicide bombers tend to kill a bunch of civilians so no stretch there. Why would they do it, not for independance for Leeds (but funny) absolute frustration at their own government’s foreign policy, living in a society you believe is racist and attacking your beliefs, falling in with the wrong crowd, brainwashing, hell just some not so far-fetched reasons; Similar sentiments are documented fact, as speech made by some individuals in the UK…there are also facts indicting British citizens of lending their support to terrorist factions abroad…unless of course those news stories are untrue.
Not sure i understand the Al-Qeada comment. Is the official line that Al-Qeada masterminded the London bombings, ‘cos i have not read that in any press. Are you suggesting their existence is a conspiracy too? As well as Bin Laden…what’s odd about him not being seen??
Anyway i also want to take this opportunity to say to all those fucking dickheads that have posted racist remarks on this blog that you are a bunch of ignorant coward bastards, that have probably grown up mired in the same hateful shit spouted by your families…you are missing out on such rich cultural influence all around you you morons and your lives will always be poorer because of this.
Shah shah ga ba ba ba, your blog is a fantastic forum for open debate. Enjoy every precious moment with the girls and peace as usual
Stef 08.26.05 at 6:02 am
@cross overseas: I’ll just deal with ‘our’ points. I’m actually one of those people who don’t favour advocating alternate theories. Even if I doubt what my government or police are saying to me there is NO obligation for me to come up with a counter theory. Actually, I’d be stupid to do so because they could whip out another whopper five minutes later. I’d be constantly playing catch up.
I am not the one saying there were no timing devices on scene. ‘Unofficial’ police sources have said that they found no timing devices; that includes watches and mobile phones, and, yes, it does sound like crap.
I’ll briefly list some more crap:
- we’ve been told for weeks that the bus bomber was on a bus because the Northern line wasn’t running. Actually it was
- the missing and unreleased video. From the bus, from the stations, from Luton car park, no ones mentioned that at all
- the notion that suicide bombers would buy return tickets and leave explosives in the back of their car to pick up later
- the notion that suicide bombers would leave no testament to their actions
- the notion that suicide bombers would lumber themselves with full size rucksacks and ‘button like devices’ attached to those huge rucksacks just to carry 10lb of explosives
- the totally contradictory accounts of the explosives used - were they military grade as originally indicated by the police or one of the two home made types the police hinted at later on?
- the total smothering of all witness and family accounts from 7/7. Not a fucking squeak
I could go on for ages. Really.
The point about the mobile phone calls on 7/7 is a double edged one. He could equally have been phoning his friends because he didn’t think they had any intention of blowing themselves up. I’m not proposing a counter theory jusy pointing out that the story does not have the significance it is reported as having. It’s also a bit hard to fit in with the news that he had a Mac Attack sometime after the 8.50am explosions
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The sarcastic comment wasn’t aimed at you as I have no reason to know if you believe that particular horse manure or not. I’m just exasperated at the way this story is being handled and reported.
Anonymous 08.27.05 at 1:06 am
@stef… ok, some response:
The northern line *was* shutdown and stations near to euston square were closed prior to any detonation there, so yes, the line was closed. All lines were shut way before the bus detonation.
Secondly, you really give any credence to whether they bought single or return tickets?? PLEASE!
“He could equally have been phoning his friends because he didn’t think they had any intention of blowing themselves up.”… previously I gave you far more respect than was due following this comment. So he knew the same people, and wondered did they go through with it? So there was conspiracy to engage in terrorist activity, that much you concede?