Israel mounts Air Strikes on beleagured Gaza…
Israeli forces have killed at least seven people including a 12-year-old girl in air raids and incidents during an ongoing offensive in Gaza.
The deaths bring the number of those killed since Wednesday to at least 42. A top Hamas militant is among the dead.At least 17 people were killed on Friday, including two women shot during the siege of a mosque in Beit Hanoun.
Israel, in case you don’t give a shit, is one of the filthiest, dirtiest, naziest states this planet has ever had to suffer.
Israeli Sturmbannführers shot at a bunch of women recently and killed at least one of them, injuring several others.
The West allows this to continue, indeed, encourages it. For what your proxy fuckpigs in Israel are doing, for what your raping, murdering, burning, pillaging butchers are doing in Iraq, do you truly, honestly believe there will be no balance, no justice?
I find myself nauseous at the idea that people can talk rationally about Israel. (I have shown in an earlier post about how America is actually 300 times worse than Israel, but Israel is more brazen, and behaves much like the bully’s bitch, the most loathsome kind of creature).
Do I believe that the state of Israel should be wiped from the pages of history? Yes, I do. That evil, murdering, tyrannical, fascist regime should be binned like the Third Reich, like the Soviet Union, damn it, like Apartheid. And when it’s gone, the only solution can be a single-state solution. Yes, true democracy, that which Israel fears more than anything in the world.
True democracy in Israel, America muzzled and Britain free from the clutches of that fascist fuckboy Blair and his obsequious, fawning government.
If the women being murdered were white Israelis, by Palestinians, what kind of response do you think there would be? You don’t give a shit do you? You really don’t get it - because a lot of you really believe that brown people, especially Muslims, are sub-human. There can be no other explanation for such inequality and injustice.
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asad 11.05.06 at 12:39 pm
Mate you are totally right. Ive read a few of your articles and find you tell the truth.
That picture youve posted of the Muslim women fleeing hurts. I hope those involved get their comeuppance.
The whole world just stands by and watches.
What do you suggest we do about it? Id love to hear your ideas.
Ron, Israel 11.05.06 at 7:54 pm
Mate, I doubt if you “give a shit” that the good people of Gaza are firing rockets at scools and kindergartens in Israel from their backyards. Granted, these makeshift weapons do less damage that state-of-the-art American weaponry, but the intent is no less evil and probably more.
I don’t agree with my government’s actions in Beit Hanoun. I think we’re shooting ourselves in the foot. The Palestinians, however, have been continuously shooting themselves in the head. You speak of “True democracy” once Israel is gone? Ha. So far, ever since the disengagement, the Palestinians haven’t even managed to settle themselves into a decent tyranny - they’re descending ever deeper into anarchy.
I hope you’ll demonstrate that this blog is meant for discussion (rather than just plain propaganda) by keeping my comment. Have a nice day.
Erik 11.06.06 at 6:48 pm
Ron
To start with Israel is since the fall of the apartheid regime in South Africa the only state in the world founded on the idea of race (leaving aside the ridiculous idea that a people could possibly have a godgiven right to a piece of land) and which treats citizens not belonging to this master race as second grade citizens (non-jewish israelis are not allowed in most schools, hospitals etc). Add to this the thousands of palestinians driven by force from land that they held the deeds to and had farmed for countless generations and perhaps you have at least a bit of food for thought. In this whole bizarre debate on the middle east noone ever seems to even concider that the palestinians (regardless of religion I might add) have a very legitimate case for having their land handed back to them. This policy of letting the palestinian people pay for the enormous bad concience of the west for turning a blind eye to Hitlers vernichtung has really got to stop. Having been a victim does not justify turning opressor.
Luckily there are people in Israel who recognize this (e.g. soliders who refuse to serve in the occupied territories) but it’s really time we tried to implement a peace plan that’s not simply focused on forcing the palestinians to kowtow to the master race.
Other than that I must direct you to this excellent text:
http://www.cognitivedissidents.org/Halwani-1.html
Ron, Israel 11.07.06 at 10:25 pm
Erik,
I hope you read my comment, not just the signature. The issue you raised is very important, but not really related to the article or my response.
There are enough discussions about who has what rights in Israel/Palestine on the net already, but still I’ll address some of your points.
Like the owner of this blog, you have your facts skewed and your mind made up in advance. First, comparing Israel to the Apartheid regime is an easy exit. I don’t think you had elected black members in the Apartheid parliament. Second, Arabs are actually over-represented among hospital staff in Israel, and no one is refused medical care - including Palestinian militants.
Saying that Palestinians have lived on the land for “countless” generations is also a gross oversimplification, but personally I don’t see the point of trying to find out who was here first. What are you gonna do, send the latecomer “back where they came from”? I’m a third-generation Israeli myself. None of us (Jews and Arabs) have anywhere else to go. Period.
Finally, I’ll stress again that I am far from satisfied with Israeli policy towards the Palestinians. There is a lot of racism towards Arabs, and we’ve been making one bad move after another (the operation in Gaza is just the latest example). But the other side has done no better. Anyone who thinks that this conflict is Black vs. White, Good vs. Bad (e.g., our Suspect Paki), does not begin to understand the situation.
shahid 11.07.06 at 11:07 pm
Actually, your assumption is baseless.
My mind was made up after I learned the facts. From both sides. With Israel getting the benefit of the doubt for most of my life.
I will give you just two figures - since the most recent intifada, after the butcher, Ariel Sharon provocatively walked into the Masjid Al-Aqsa (about as sick as maybe Arafat pissing on your wailing wall), your side has killed 7 Palestinian children for every 1 Israeli child. “Ther other side has done no better”. You’re right. The Palestinians have not walked into the land you stole from them and butchered your people with anything like the ferocity you have done to them.
Say what you like - if that eases your conscience. I think you’ll find the body count and injustices wildly one sided. “Far from satisfied”? I hope any decent human being would utterly revile the killing of children and the bombing of another with cluster, phosphorous and depleted uranium tipped munitions.
moflard 11.08.06 at 1:46 am
@ Ron, Israel
“….Palestinians have lived on the land for “countless†generations is also a gross oversimplification…”
OK - here’s a less simplified version.
The Islamic expansion into what had been provinces of the Roman, then Byzantine (itself realy a continuation of the Roman) Empires found it in possession of territories that were predominantly Christian, with a sizable Jewish community centred around Jerusalem. Over time, large portions of these populations converted to Islam, either voluntarily, through force, to avoid taxation (most Muslim rulers taxed non-believers) or for various other reasons. Not just Christians, Jews converted aswell. NO LARGE SCALE POPULATION SHIFTS OCCURED! Infact one of the characteristics of the Near East is a general continuity in population over the last 2500 years, lacking the large scale population movements seen in Europe (Huns, Slavs, Goths etc). The Ottoman Empire did move some populations about (heard of the Armenians?) but again - not such large numbers.
So the Palestinians can trace their occupation of the land, both historically and archaeologicaly, back at least 2500 years, because many of them had Jewish ancestors back then! Hell, some of ‘em are descended from Phoenicians.
DE 11.09.06 at 12:58 am
I can’t help thinking that while the discussion lurches towards “who was here first” which has never been the basis of any settled dispute, the Israeli response continues. And the Palestinians who want that response continue encouraging it.
The moment the US stops spending so many foreign policy credits on propping up Israel, which forces Syria and Iran to back Palestinian agitators, this mainly artificial conflict will evaporate.
MC 11.09.06 at 4:52 am
Israel, in case you don’t give a shit, is one of the filthiest, dirtiest, naziest states this planet has ever had to suffer.
Great beginning!
I have something to say.
I never took an interest in the Palestinian problem, i knew nothing. Only that Palestine was middle east somewhere.
During the war in July i was off from uni and had nothing to do except watch tv, the news mostly. This is when i got a huge shock and realised what was happening and has been happening ever since Israel was created.
Though at the beginning i thought Hizbullah were partly to blame, then as the days past and the Israeli air strikes got worse i was like WTF are they doing. Then i was watching the news every single day to find out what was happening and got history lesson on what happened 20 years ago and why Hizbullah were formed, to fight against constant Israeli torture and occupation
Some how i was introduced to a few documentaries about the Palestinian people and what they have been going through since Israel came to be. One documentary is made by a White British Journalist, John Pilgar, another is made by a few White American’s.
These were them…
Peace Propoganda and the Promise Land
Palestine is still the issue
People and the Land
(The Documentary The People and the Land says Israel has been the single largest recipient of US foreign aid. Upto 1997 US aid to Israel was $77,726,000,000 Seventy Seven Billion, Seven Hundred and Twenty Six Million of American tax payer dollars.
*$5.5 billion in Grants and Loans just in 1996.
Compared to….
*In 1996 Israel received 7 times as much US aid as all of Africa
*6 times as much as the US spent on famine relief for the entire planet.
*In 1996 cuts in program’s for America’s poor, $5.7 billon with $0 cuts in aid for Israel, Aid to Israel 5.5 billion )
(and those which talk about America and its links with Israel and why)
The Dooms Day Code
Orwell Rolls in his Grave
The World According to Bush
And few more…
You can call them propoganda, anti-israeli propoganda or whatever you want. ALL these documentaries have a common theme (You can watch most on Google Video and trust me you’ll be shocked!) With these my history lesson was complete and slowly slowly i became and am extremely angry about Israel and America.
And totally understand why Hizbullah are there, they’re not terrorists you can call them freedom fighters as George Galloway would say.
Ill end by saying Israel is definately the “filthiest, dirtiest, naziest states” there ever existed.
Ron, Israel 11.09.06 at 5:55 pm
moflard,
You’re just proving my point (maybe that was your intent?)
Israelis on the whole do not question the Palestinians’ claim to the land. And, as you said, Jewish heritage in Israel goes back even longer than theirs. So once again - trying to solve this conflict the way you sort out an argument over a toy in the kindergarten is clearly a non-starter.
shahid 11.09.06 at 8:48 pm
Ron - “Israelis on the whole do not question the Palestinians’ claim to the land”
Would you kindly clarify:
a) Which land are you referring to, the pre-1948 land, or the land demarcated in 1967?
b) I find your statement surprising, do you have a reference for it? A poll perhaps?
Jews should definitely live in Israel, but alongside Palestinians. Side by side. In harmony. In a single-state, a true democracy - even call it Israel! It’s just that it will never happen. Will it?
White aint right 11.10.06 at 3:27 am
Israelis are evil murderous bastards. The entire country is a concentrated hub of jewish terrorists. These filthy sons of bitches have NO fucking right to the land whatsoever. If I trace my ancestry to China, does that entitle me to go back to claim it for my own? BULLSHIT! These fuckers are all the descendents of East European converts to judaism and have no business in the Middle East.
Palestinians are every right to resist these scumbags.
moflard 11.10.06 at 9:40 am
@ Ron
“…Jewish heritage in Israel goes back even longer than theirs”
If the Palestinians ancestors were a mix of Jewish, Phoenician, probably Cananite and Philistine, how can the Jewish claim extend further back in time - the time depth would be equal? How could you not get that? And might I remind you the modern (Jewish) Israeli population is mainly made up of the descendants of European Jews - and they left Judea during the time of the Roman Empire - thus losing their claim to that land. You can’t come back 2000 years later and say “oops - Europe didn’t work out so I’ve changed my mind, all you Palestinian lot move out”. Or do you maintain that the Palestinians are squatters? After 2000 YEARS!
But I do agree the Palestinian leadership has been woefully inadequate. Instead of campaigning for an independant homeland and the eradication of Israel - they should have been campaigning for the VOTE! Hah, now how would the West react to Palestinians demanding democracy and Israel refusing to give it?
Israel IS formed on an appartheid system, just look at recent legislation regarding Israeli Arabs to see it’s true. The only real solution is one state, equal rights and duties before the law for ALL peoples.
Man in a Shed 11.10.06 at 11:48 am
What about Darfur ?
moflard 11.10.06 at 7:21 pm
@ Man in a Shed
Darfur is an attempt at ethnic cleansing plain and simple. Yes, it’s being carried out by Muslims - this makes it no less wrong. Let me repeat that - NO LESS WRONG!
But, and it’s a big but…
Mistreatment BY muslims of a minority in one part of the world in no way negates or pardons the mistreatment OF muslims in another part of the world. The two are different situations and should not be conflated. There’s an old saying..
TWO WRONGS DON’T MAKE A RIGHT.
shahid 11.11.06 at 11:36 pm
DE - it’s not a conflict. Last I looked, Palestinians didn’t have tanks, planes or even water or power. It’s slaughter. 7 Palestinian kids for every Israeli kid since the second intifada - and continuous murder of kids, women and unarmed civilians in the biggest concentration camp in the history of the planet - Gaza.
As for who was there first is not as important as the fact that in 1948, massive immigration and a war that initiated the ethnic cleansing of the hitherto majority Palestinian population was the foundation of the Nation-As-Perpetual-Victim-To-Justify-Continuous-Murder that is Israel today.
Ron 11.12.06 at 1:52 pm
Shahid and moflard,
You’re partly right, what I meant is that most of us recognize that the Palestinians have rights in this territory (both pre-48 and 67), and are not invaders or squatters. I don’t have the poll numbers, though. The minority who would see the Arabs expelled are viewed as racists, and have for the most part been banned from running for parliament. But with the Intifada of the past few years, the racist sentiment is certainly on the rise.
Israel is NOT an apartheid state. Recent legistlation concerning arabs actually put in place affirmative action measures for getting more of them into public service. But you’re probably referring to the law that forbids arab citizens of Israel from bringing palestinian spouses to live with them. Sure, it’s a racist law (our own courts say so), but also a necessary component of our immigration policy: if we don’t openly recognize a palestinian Right of Return, it makes no sense to let them come here in droves through the back door.
Personally, I share your vision of a real democracy in this land, a system where jews feel safe enough to share (or even cede) political control. Unfortunately, nothing in our past or present experience points to this as a realistic possibility - not our European “experiment”, not the calls for Israel’s destruction coming from Tehran and Gaza (and London), not the rising antisemitism from Russia to Venezuela (and yes, I can tell the difference between antisemitism and anti-Israeli sentiment). So the democratic one-state solution is off the table, at least in our generation.
Sorry.
moflard 11.12.06 at 5:15 pm
@ Ron
“So the democratic one-state solution is off the table, at least in our generation.”
That doesn’t let you off the hook for TRYING to bring it about.
“Sure, it’s a racist law (our own courts say so), but also a necessary…”
Necessary? Are you honestly saying that racism, RACISM, can be required let alone defended? Please say I read that wrong.
As for Israeli extremists - one’s just been let into the government for crying out loud. How are the Palestinians supposed to read that message? It looks suspiciously like Israel is planning a bit of social engineering based on the Bosnian-Serb model. Hip hip hooray - when does the order for jack-boots and brown shirts arrive at the IDF?
I know there are good, peace loving Israelis, I’m not going to lump you all together as fascists; but you need to be louder, not just in Israel but on the world stage so everyone knows; but especially Arabs; that being Israeli doesn’t equal being inhuman. Isn’t one thousand years of anti-semitism enough? Don’t give the racists an excuse.
shahid 11.12.06 at 6:08 pm
The problem is that the real voice of Israel, the dominant voice, is one that combines ignorance, hatred, racism and violence - and implcitly condones ethnic cleansing, whilst turning a blind eye to it. Hypocrisy is the dominant voice of Israel, that’s the problem.
moflard 11.18.06 at 9:29 am
@ Ron, Israel
“…where jews feel safe enough to share (or even cede) political control. Unfortunately, nothing in our past or present experience points to this as a realistic possibility.”
Are you sure you’re not P.W. Bhota? Because that argument for denying democracy to the majority’s been seen before. IN SOUTH AFRICA! Added to which I could turn that on it’s head as an argument to bring back the Jewish Ghettos - they can’t feel safe as a minority, lets give them places where they’re the majority. Doesn’t sound very nice does it -should the Palestinians be forced to wear silly hats, or maybe badges? Read “Animal Farm” - it might prove instructive.