I’ve been doing some youtube vids recently on qadianism. Even easier than podcasts, it’s the one creative outlet I’ve found that requires almost no reading and no writing beyond file-naming. I’m sorry therefore that this post has taken me the best part of a fortnight to write, but my eyes are really not up to much more.
Insha’Allah, Suspect Paki will be up and running again in mid April after I have recovered from my vitrectomy, which takes place on Friday 30th of March. I know all my regular readers are rooting for me, and I pray for you all and am grateful to all of you for your kindness, support and friendship. It has been a source of great comfort to me that even those who initially didn’t like me were kind enough to offer supportive messages after reading me for a bit. What hope that gives me for humanity! I have not met many of you, but I consider you my friends and if ever I get the chance, I would love to have a tea or coffee with you all!
This one Qadiani/Ahmadi (a believer in a Punjabi claimant to prophethood in the early 20th/late 19th century called Mirza Ghulam Ahmad - who swore more than I do!) on the comments section did the usual for most Qadianis I have encoutnered on-line; play the man - not the ball. Constant ad hominem attacks. Fortunately, not all qadianis/ahmadis are like this person. However, the cult-mind does encourage such thinking. He was soon joined by many others.
Lest it not be entirely obvious, even for those who are not cult-minded or Mirza-inclined, there is the tribal mentality that comes from a cult-association that thrives (much like Israel) on an outrageously disproportionate persecution complex to factor in too.
Anyway, this one particulary person dragged out some of my most open and painful posts and cut and pasted sections from them into the comment section on youtube where I had posted my vids about his fake prophet who called all Muslims “kaafirs” and “sons of whores”. And he revelled in it and was delighted at any misfortune he could find….this is typical of the qadiani/ahmadi/cult mindset. Unable to defend his prophet who hated Muslims and kissed Queen Victoria’s arse, he delights in the suffering of other people. His prophet prayed for the destruction of so many too - he was a prophet of doom. This trait has been passed onto many of his followers.
This incident is not isolated. Many others joined in. What I found most disturbing about these people is that they seemed to think it was OK to take pleasure in the suffering of my children. This has always been the case. In many personal emails since I left the cult, my family is always dragged into such matters. Ad hominem. Crude. Cultish.
All people suffer. To many qadianis/ahmadis/cultees, it’s because those people denied their messiah. To normal people, it’s part of life. These are the kind of evil bastards who laugh at limbless Palestinian kids and say “it’s because you rejected Mirza”.
It’s funny, loads of qadianis go through hell (like anybody else), but the cultees never argue that this is because worldly salvation is not about defeating hard times at all - because their prophet never achieved it for himself (he suffered illness upon illness, misfortune upon misfortune) and his followers certainly don’t.
These cultees don’t see that belief in their fake prophet doesn’t stop qadianis from getting divorced, getting cancer, financial problems, prison - these are things that happen irrespective of your belief. What your belief does is offer some perspective and help you grow. Now I am Muslim and not a kaafir, I have a huge amount of perspective. Interestingly, I believe atheists, Jews, Christians and pagans have more perspective and are more sane than cult victims like the Qadianis. That can be seen from the comments on my blog - where even the racists wished me well when I had hard times. Again, I stress, not all Qadianis are like this. I hope that’s clear. In fact, most Qadianis are not familiar with the writings of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad. If they were familiar, and still sane, they would leave Ahmadiyya.
Cultees also conveniently forget that deniers of Mirza (that’s practically the whole world) have amongst their rank, astonishingly successful people (certainly when measured in the worldly sense - and in other senses too…)
Mirza was a fraud. He misled people into ruin and charged them for it. He claimed revelation, but died the way he prophesied his opponents to, shit coming out of both ends of his alimentary canal uncontrollably and violently; of cholera. I’m glad they rejoice in my personal misfortunes. I have learned and grown from them. I am still learning and growing. I have had much good happen to me too.
The cult mindset is so terribly stupid. For example, ten years ago, when I was a cultee, I was told I had kidney disease as a result of my diabetes. I had high(ish) creatinine levels and microalbuminuria. I went on to have higher creatinine and eventually I was pissing protein. That was it really - the early stages of diabetic nephropathy. How would a cultee explain that? Are qadianis meant to be immune from diabetic nephropathy?
And now, ten years later, last Monday in fact, I received the extraordinary and near-miraculous news that my blood creatinine level has stabilised and that there is no protein in my urine. My kidney function is in the normal range. Using the cultee mindset, Mirza gave me kidney disease, rejection of Mirza and embracing Islam cured me of it. What do the hardcore Mirzais have to say about that?
Thankfully, normal people don’t think like this. Normal people recognise bad times as a trial that afflict everyone. Normal people regard earthly calamities as indiscriminate too, but the qadianis were rejoicing when a recent earthquake in Pakistan and Kashmir killed tens of thousands and damaged the lives of millions. Not all qadianis mind you, let’s make it clear once again, but certainly a significant, documented minority who really are familiar with the works of Mirza. These are the truly evil who rejoice at the suffering of other humans.
What makes us human is empathy. Look, I hate the idea of Zionism and I despise the machinery of Israel, but in my sane moments (usually when I’m not blogging, and therefore, much of the time) I recognise the humanity of even those tyrants and when their children are killed, it is a tragedy, like the loss of our own children. In every parent we recognise the anguish that we ourselves would feel if we lost our own.
Qadianis, harcore Qadianis, and other cultees, are not like this. They see human suffering as a natural consequence of the rejection of their prophet, Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, who was at best a charlatan and at worse, well, I could reverse any of his own bitter epithets, dripping from his poison Urdu pen against anyone who didn’t buy his line in bullshit and lies and hatred.
Some of them are amazed that I can show open disrespect not only to their religion, but to the current religion of some of my family members. This is hypocritical. They call my religion one of terrorism, which makes them no better than anyone from the Zionaxis’ PR and in many ways, significantly worse. I might be Judas to them, but their community is far worse than Judas to the Muslims. Their community is a stain beacuse it prefers imperialism to Islam. Finally, and because of its heretical beliefs, but also in part due to its treacherous poltiical conduct over the years, Ghulam-Ahmadism/Ahmadiyyat/Qadianism is not a religion. It is a cult.
Those cultees being personal makes me happy, because it proves I am getting to them. Excellent. I know I’m on the right track. Leaving those God-forsaken heathen scum was the best thing I ever did.

{ 12 comments… read them below or add one }
Phil 03.19.07 at 12:38 am
Hey, no need to take tension over internet spammers and junkies who have nothing to do but ‘promote their religions’ over the internet. They are mere losers. Stay in good shape and chill.
Peace.
syed 03.25.07 at 7:05 pm
Hi Shahid,
I genuinely feel bad for your experience with the Ahmadi on YouTube. I have followed your Blog for a couple of years now. To that end I wish you nothing but the best in life. But, friend, I’m also an Ahmadi. And so found your post a little disheartening.
The generalisations used in the post were breath taking: we “laugh at limbless Palestinian kids.” Unbelievable. Of course, you very generously point out that it is only a minority within the Ahmadi community that behaves like this. But that really doesn’t detract from the rabidity of your post. The glee with which you relate Mirza Ghulam Ahmad’s death demonstrates a childish tit-for-tat mentality; ‘you cuss me, I cuss your mum’. Playground.
You also manage to pedal some of the oft pedalled bullshit used by those of the traditionalist Islamic theological lineage. Ahmadi’s laugh at others misfortune; the Afghani earthquake being a source of glee. Behave yourself Shahid. The idea that God punishes the unbeliever is not characteristic to Ahmadiyyat- it’s present in all the major monotheistic traditions. Yours too. I along with other Ahmadis; medics, drivers, non-skilled volunteers organised and took part in a relief effort. Go to the web pages and see for yourself. I’m confident that you also got involved in your chosen way.
I would also point out that that Ahmadis ask not to be called Qadianis; just as Mohammadenism was used as a term of disrespect by the ignorant Westerners, non Ahmadi members of the Muslim world employ for the same purpose. Name calling!
Shahid, employing lies, generalisation and name calling to get one over isn’t flattering. You are better than that. Don’t get me wrong; the ad homienm attacking by the Ahmadi guy is completely wrong, indefensible and utterly stupid. But I’m not sure you did any better.
We all make mistakes in life, including yourself and you very rightly point out that getting personal side steps the greater debate. Frankly, it doesn’t matter to me if you like Ahmadis or not but I am asking for you to be respectful of other people’s faiths.
I mean it when I say that I wish you the best of health, life and love. I enjoy reading your Blog and look forward to more of your posts in the future.
shahid 03.25.07 at 8:19 pm
Sir, thank you for your response.
Let’s take this off-line - I can justify pretty much every line I wrote. If I am wrong, after private discussion with you I will retract and apologise. You can reach me at: shahid at suspectpaki dot com
syed 03.26.07 at 9:30 pm
Shahid, less of the sir; it’s Syed!
Friend, I appreciate the offer and I hope this doesn’t seem ungrateful, but I have to refuse. I have enjoyed following your Blog immensely, but I’ve never turned to it for a theological discourse. I don’t want to muddy the waters. Perhaps my ramblings weren’t clear: I don’t want to dispute who is right and who is wrong. It really doesn’t bother me what faith you follow; my concern was about demonstrating respect or, failing that, tolerance.
Shahid, your Blog is an important document of the concerns for a large section of the world community regarding the state of world affairs. It also reflects what a lot of Muslims feel too, but are unable as yet, for whatever reason, to pose questions and couch views in such a powerful manner. I’m a reformist of sorts and feel that Muslims have MANY issues to solve regarding the state of the community, some big and some small. Theological difference can and will sully any ties that can be forged.
I look forward to more of your writings and wish you all the best.
In the words of Mike Skinner (aka ‘The Streets’): “Let’s push things forwards”
shahid 03.26.07 at 10:41 pm
Dear Syed,
I don’t like hurting the feelings of my readers. I don’t want to convince you of who is right and who is wrong. It doesn’t work like that. Only Allah (SWT) can offer guidance.
All I wanted to do was to justify every word I’d written - and if I couldn’t - to retract.
Ahmadiyya in my opinion is part of the problem, not the solution, and it has taken me tens of thounsands of pages of reading and hundreds of pages of writing to come to terms with that. Of course, most Ahmadis don’t see that, but then, they wouldn’t, that’s the idea.
If I could see Ahmadiyya as part of the Ummah, in any way, I and other Muslims would be delighted to include them in the fold. However, at every opportunity, Ahmadiyya seeks to distance itself from the Ummah, making it clear that it is not like the rest of the terrorist scum.
I’m glad you like the blog, I’m glad to have you here.
The offer to converse, as friends, is open. Contrary to the rumours, I don’t hate Ahmadis, but I think you know that…
the olive ream 03.27.07 at 3:12 pm
All power to you Shahid, for speaking the truth. Have seen all four videos so far and enjoyed them immensely. A great learning experience for me personally in regards to the Ahmedi teachings - I was completely unaware of the content.
One must always pursue what one believes to be the truth. You have shown immense and examplery courage in breaking away from what you rightly classify as a ‘cult’. Not many have the courage to question to do that.
Love the videos! Keep it real, keep it simple, and keep ‘em coming.
My prayers and best wishes for your upcoming vitrectomy. Keep the faith!
MARIAH 03.28.07 at 9:08 pm
hi Syed…just wanted to point out, if ur an ahmadi, how can u possibly b a syed?…syed is the desendant of prophet muhammed pbuh. dont really make sense?
Stef 03.30.07 at 6:57 pm
Best wishes for the op today. It’s always difficult to wish people well at times like this without sounding lame but I’m rooting for you
Stef
HAMID A KHAN 05.06.07 at 6:33 am
Shahid, how could you say that Ahmadis rejoice in the suffering of others? Do you live in their hearts? You have condemned them as if they are inhuman, incapable of compassion. For you information, I saw the video of little Palestinian school girl who woke of from a coma caused by Israeli bullet to realize that she has been blinded. I wept all night and prayed no only for her but her entire family and for all who are suffering in that part of the world. I cried for I have grand daughters of her age too. I cried because I belong to human race. I cried because Allah has put mercy in our hearts. And I am an Ahmadi.
May God forgive you for generalization. For calling names and condemning a whole group of people while portraying yourself as being guardian of humanity and Palestinian cause.
shahid 05.06.07 at 3:46 pm
Hamid, did you read this part of my post?
“Not all qadianis mind you, let’s make it clear once again, but certainly a significant, documented minority who really are familiar with the works of Mirza. These are the truly evil who rejoice at the suffering of other humans.”
How many times in my post did I make the above clear?
Ahmadi 05.17.07 at 2:48 pm
Salaam All,
I am an Ahmadi I think we should pray to Allah before declaring anyone right or wrong in Islam. ALLAH can tell you if you do istakhara whether Ahmadiyyat is right or wrong!!
peanut 05.30.07 at 2:14 am
all i will say to the ahmadis is follow the quran and the sunnah and everything will fall into place