Ahmadiyya Intellectual Cowardice

by shahid on June 14, 2007

Some of my readers will know about my youtube videos, currently numbering seven, on the cult of the Ahmadiyya.

Yesterday I was served with seven DMCA notices, one for each of my videos on behalf of the Ahmadiyya “Muslim” Community by youtube and my videos were removed.

No specifics were given, but copyright infringement was cited. The cowardice of the Ahmadiyya and their fear of the youtube revolution that threatens to detail their fraudulent cult, masquerading as rational “Muslims” whilst treacherously speaking out against Islam at every opportunity, is now all too apparent.

Why are the Qadianis scared of sharing the work of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, their so-called-prophet? What are they so scared of? At every opportunity for debate, they run away. When confronted with outrageous garbage spewed by their doom-mongering fake, they claim that his writings have been misquoted. When the writings are quoted using their own translations, they cite copyright infringement! (They obviously haven’t heard of Fair Use!). What kind of cowardice is this?

I am flattered that they think my videos dangerous enough to their organisation that at the highest level, they have decided to take such heavy-handed action.

Perhaps they’re scared that ordinary Ahmadis will find out that the man they revere:

  1. Drank Tonic Wine
  2. Took opium
  3. Called those who didn’t like his books the “progeny of whores”
  4. Said of his opponents that they “have become swines of our jungle and their women have become worse than bitches.”
  5. And yet also said “I have not even answered back anyone with abusive language.”
  6. Publicly chased a married woman and claimed in a “prophecy” that she would become widowed and become his wife. (Never happened and she outlived him by 57 years!)
  7. Made blunder after blunder in his so-called-prophecies and tried to explain them away like a teenage liar.
  8. Urinated 100 to 300 times a day. (When was he clean enough to pray?)
  9. NEVER set foot in Mecca or Medina, never mind perform the Hajj!
  10. Never paid the Zakah!
  11. Wrote letters of sickly, fawning obeisance to the love of his life – Queen Victoria
  12. Offered to be a spy for the British
  13. Called all those who rejected him as “kaafir” (outside the fold of Islam) and hellbound.
  14. Predicted earthquakes and plagues routinely as signs of his greatness.
  15. Was a self-aggrandising megalomaniac with self-confessed melancholic bouts of hysteria.

Nice guy, huh? You can see why the Ahmadiyya dont want anyone to know about his life or works! They get a nice chunk of money from gullible Ahmadis on a regular basis – cult tax called “chanda” and they send money boxes out with faces of their cult leader on, Mirza Masroor, to CHILDREN, no matter how poor, to encourage them to send money to him.

These people ostracise their own members, cruelly socially boycotting them when they perform minor misdemeanours that might reflect badly on their cult and yet they protect sexual predators and paedophiles and fraudsters within their own “royal families”.

Can you say “cult?”

Despite my own understanding of copyright law through my own professional history, I will be seeking the best legal counsel and look forward to relaying further news to you on this matter as and when it occurs.

In the meantime, I have written to youtube requesting clarification and also sent the following to the HQ of the Ahmadiyya “Muslim” Community in the UK:

Dear Sir/Madam,

Yesterday, a DMCA Notice was served on me by Youtube, on behalf of the
Ahmadiyya Muslim Community.

My youtube username is shahidkamal. I am wondering where this
authorisation came from and on what specific basis?

I am working on a series of documentaries on the Ahmadiyya Movement,
including comments on some of the works of its founder, Mirza Ghulam
Ahmad. I plan on conducting several interviews and wondered if someone
from your organisation would be available for comment?

Peace on those who follow the guidance,

Shahid Kamal Ahmad

I will end this post with a verse from the Qur’an that springs to mind anytime somebody tries to stamp on the truth, from surah 61, verse 8:

يُرِيدُونَ لِيُطْفِؤُوا نُورَ اللَّهِ بِأَفْوَاهِهِمْ وَاللَّهُ مُتِمُّ نُورِهِ وَلَوْ كَرِهَ الْكَافِرُونَ

They desire to extinguish the Light of God with their mouths, but God will perfect His Light, though the unbelievers be averse.

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Matti February 26, 2008 at 5:59 am

well all your billion pluse are dying everywhere like dirt and bugs for instance in iraq , pakisan, and other Arab world funny thing nobody from outside need to kill you but you are killing each other let me tell you something Ahmadis can not be stopped if you are thinking that by saying lies about Mirza Gulam Ahmad will end ahmadiyaa you are only deluding yourself , number one point didnt people of israel called jesus bastard didnt christain accuse Holy Prophet that he was womanizier these allegations do not affects Prophet Status nor does it stop their Prophecies. For Mr Shahid what is the difference between your behaviour and the publisher of denmark newspaper these things does not stop religion many commenters have said that they are proud of religion and etc but nobody is checking the ground reality all muslim countries are the most corrupt on face of earth they lie, deceive and i dont think God humiliates its people the way its happenings around the muslim world.
let me tell u another good news check muslims and Ahmadis population after ten years you will be amaze to see how the gap will close, point you figure towards any group of muslims then we can have a debate if religion was 2+2 thing then jewish would have never rejected Jesus so dont try to fly everywhere choose a platform.
you are picking quotations from Mirza Gulam Ahmad books and trying to make a case but you are forgetting even Quran versus can not be discussed out context, lets say for the sake of argument that your faith is true then you better pray and pray that jesus returns if you cry to the extent that you become blind jesus will not return.

shahid February 26, 2008 at 10:13 am

I don’t say anything about Mirza that cannot be proven from his own writings. Nothing I have said about Mirza is stripped of context. Thanks for confirming your hatred of Muslims and your spiritual orgasms at the deaths of Muslim families everywhere.

PLEEZING ONE March 26, 2008 at 6:28 pm

THIS IS DEDICATED TO ALL QADIANIS:

Glorious teachings of Mirza ghulam VICTORIA Qadiani ( its not a joke, he was a ghulam of queen Victoria, read his book Tohfa -e- Qaisarya.

And read this masterpiece, Ref: RK vol. 5, Aaina kamalat Islam page 282- Pdf 284 – 663

” Man is compelled by many reasons to have more than one wife. For example if a man’s wife, due to age or disease becomes ugly, man’s sexual powers on which woman depends, becomes dysfunctional or suspended. But if a man is ugly then it does not cause any harm to woman because the man has the key of action and it is in hand of man to satisfy his woman. But if man has faulty or less sexual power then according to Quranic command, woman can get divorce and IF MAN IS CAPABLE OF SATISFYING HER FULLY then woman cannot object that why you brought another wife. Because woman cannot be responsible and satisfy man’s daily needs, therefore man’s right to get a second wife remains intact.”

truth seker June 24, 2008 at 4:13 pm

I wish the contributors to this issue exercised such determination and passion to address the serious and life threatening issues affecting the muslim world, humanity at large and the future of our planet. Ahmadis are not a threat and never have been. Why is infighting a favorite muslim past time?. There is secterianism and difference in every religion of the world yet they do not behave in such an immature, rude and despicable manner. It really is time to grow up and accept the realities we are faced with in this world, and sincerely and genuinely work towards the common good. Actions speak louder than words. In this respect Ahmadis win with day. by the way i am not an Ahamdi but i am aware of the great work they do and appreciate the positive contribution they make. Peace to all. Wasalam

RT September 14, 2008 at 2:59 am

Salaam!

All I want to say after reading this absurd and absolute disgusting site(based on the language people have used And Not the content, i dont really care about the content, its the language that clarifies a mans true intentions) is that the creator is definately brainwashed by a cleric/mullah. I would like to ask if The Prommissed Messiah himself told the creator that he took oppium (God forgive me), or drank wine or even shared a letter with yourself which he wrote to the Queen Victoria. Were you there past 100 years when all of this occured as you say. My friend, dont just assume it to have happened if a senior looking person told you this, when religion comes to happen you have to use your brain and provide evidence since God is all-knowing and will take everything in to account on the day of judgement. The reason I say brain is because, for example, after being an ahmadi my whole life, as well as my ancestors we have never come to realize that The promissed Messiah ever took opium(God forgive me). And you all of a sudden know more than us ahmadis who are more well aware of our Jamaat. Its common sense that a man who took opium as you say(God forgive me) would not have so many followers, not just spiritually successfull but also renowned personalities (Pakistans first Noble Peace Prize achiever). My friend, the Ahmadi Community is as transparent as water, every memeber knows whats happening and has full faith in its pillars and foundation so the question of people like yourslef trying to dismemble its foundation is like asking God to send another Law-Giving Prophet. And as we all know The Holy Prophet(pbuh) is the Seal of all Law-Giving Prophets and The Promissed Messiah is the Imam Mehdi(NOT A LAW-GIVING PROPHET) as proclaimed by the Holy Prophet(pbuh) himself. We are not like those communities who dont even know which day to celebrate eid; some on first, some on second or and some on third. We work together in a profound and disciplined manner and dont take up the word Jihad for credit and start killing innocent people for the sake of worldly pleasures. To prove such a quality the Ahmadiyya Jamaat has rose to heights which you unfortunate and lost followers of Islam are JEALOUS of, and by the grace of God the Ahmadiyya Jamaat has now firmly placed its seed in over 189 countries and inshallah many more fotunate ones.

ex-ahamdi January 8, 2009 at 7:01 am

I myself was born an ahamdi … after having doubts most of my life … and consequently looking further into the sect have found many inconsitencies in the ahamdi beliefs … and now consider myself only muslim … i do not associate myself with any sect … however the points raised here make very little sense … and seem extremely immature … if you truly want to help your fellow brothers and sisters see the light and start following true islam then do so in a mature and intellectual way … swearing and putting up hysterical points which can not be proven and simply sound ridiculous only create more hatered and violence in the world… as a true muslim your objective should be to use knowledge of islam as a means to convince others of its truth and lead people who have gone astray onto the right path … No where in Islam does it tell you to condem ppl of other faiths or promote hate and violence against them… I mean no insult by this post … i only wish that instead of swearing at ahamdis etc .. and insulting their beliefs (which by the way would make anyone only hold on to those beliefs harder) there would be an open intellecutal discussion with factual arguemtns that can be backed up fully so that those who are walking on the wrong path can be encouraged to look into their beliefs and if they see inconsitencies start looking for the right path … whichever path this may be…

PS : Ahmadis are not all bad … they may be misguided … but having grown up surrounded by these ppl … they are just like any other muslim … they pray they fast their give zakat … they are involved in their communities and try to be good people … just becuase someone’s beliefs differ then your own does not make the whole group bad … sterotyping and showing prejudice is no longer “cool” and most educated people have gone bejond such limitations … so i encourage you all .. may you be ahamdi or part of any other sect of islam … to educate yourselfs and to research … learning is a life long process and only by looking for answers will we find them (these answers may be different for every person and in the end only gods judegement will matter)

ex-ahamdi January 8, 2009 at 7:02 am

I myself was born an ahamdi … after having doubts most of my life … and consequently looking further into the sect have found many inconsitencies in the ahamdi beliefs … and now consider myself only muslim … i do not associate myself with any sect … however the points raised here make very little sense … and seem extremely immature … if you truly want to help your fellow brothers and sisters see the light and start following true islam then do so in a mature and intellectual way … swearing and putting up hysterical points which can not be proven and simply sound ridiculous only create more hatered and violence in the world… as a true muslim your objective should be to use knowledge of islam as a means to convince others of its truth and lead people who have gone astray onto the right path … No where in Islam does it tell you to condem ppl of other faiths or promote hate and violence against them… I mean no insult by this post … i only wish that instead of swearing at ahamdis etc .. and insulting their beliefs (which by the way would make anyone only hold on to those beliefs harder) there would be an open intellecutal discussion with factual arguemtns that can be backed up fully so that those who are walking on the wrong path can be encouraged to look into their beliefs and if they see inconsitencies start looking for the right path … whichever path this may be…

shahid January 8, 2009 at 9:15 am

“ex-ahmadi” – I don’t understand much of your comment. There is no swearing in my post other than Ghulam Ahmad of Qadian’s swearing.

I was raised Ahmadi too, perhaps if you had placed my post in the context of the videos I created, you might understand it.

Qadianis on the whole do not pay zakah. Their priority and their mission is to get chanda. I know, I was an official chanda collector for them once and I was told to chase chanda only, nothing else. I even got funny looks when I asked about Sadaqa. Priority was always given to Sadaqa.

All of the points I’ve made can be proven and have been proven from the writings of Ghulam Ahmad of Qadian and his family and followers.

As for the arguments I’ve made and the style I’ve used in general, the results have been pretty good so far, alhamdulillah.

You come across as pretty patronising actually, I suggest if you wish to adopt a sententious approach, that you begin with the facts.

shahid January 8, 2009 at 9:20 am

@RT – that’s quite the most laughable and brainwashed response I’ve seen in a while. Don’t worry, I would have said the same thing before I learned what Mirza was like from his own books and that of his sons!
I was a Qadiani for 38 years too, so you won’t be pulling the wool over my eyes any time soon.

Your assumptions about my having believed in something because a “senior looking person” might have told me are so ridiculous that I wonder if you read what you wrote. As I’ve made clear time and time again, I didn’t have to go far to find out what Mirza Ghulam Ahmad was about, I read some of this translated books and his son’s biography. I suggest you start there before patronising me.

ex-ahamdi January 13, 2009 at 3:33 am

Shahid
the fact that you can not understand most of my post tells me a lot about your intellectual abilities … whatever i said is quiet simple and straightforward … i am glad that you found the right path of islam … i am simply stating that your arguments are weak … and have been repeated a million times on anti-ahamdi sites … if you truly want to entrice an ahamdi to look into the falsehood of their so called prophet then please provide information that has not been repeated a million times and which is not used only as a means to make an ahmadi feel attacked … all you are getting by posting in the manner you are is the support of extremist muslims who encourage the killings of people whos views differ from their own … you as a person who has found true islam have a responsibility to encourage fellow ahmadis see the right path … all i am saying is that there are better ways to do so .. all you are doing is creating hate … and islam is definitly not about that

ex-ahamdi January 13, 2009 at 3:33 am

and btw my comment was not to you specificly but to most of the people who posted on here …

ex-ahamdi January 13, 2009 at 3:39 am

what i meant by my comment was that if what you are trying to do is open other ahamdi peoples sites to true islam … then you are going about it wrong … attacking their beliefs by calling their prophet a lier will not encourage them to look deeper into their religion… it will have the opposite effect … all you are doing is gaining the favor of extremist muslims who promote hate and violence in the name of Allah … and I think you are only doing all this for the attention it gets you… if you were actually concerned with converting ahmadis and showing them the right path you would not post the nonsense that you have posted … instead you would use intelligent language and factual information which would make an ahmadi think and maybe realize that certain parts of their believe do not make sense …

shahid January 13, 2009 at 7:40 pm

“ex-ahamdi” are you aware that you have written “ahamdi”?

Are you really “ex”? Because I’m getting a lot of sententious hypocrisy from you.

“the fact that you can not understand most of my post tells me a lot about your intellectual abilities” How is your insulting me giving you the moral high ground from which to launch your attack?

“and have been repeated a million times on anti-ahamdi sites” “a million” is a huge exaggeration. Truth is truth. I came to my senses by reading Mirza’s work. Most of my material on the ahmadiyya can be found elsewhere, not on suspectpaki. How much of that have you read? For example, where were you when I posted around 3,000 message on ahmedi.org, with extreme patience and under severe hostility? Where were you on thecult.info/forum when my daughters got abused? Where were you on my youtube videos where I made very good points, some entirely original, when Qadianis attacked me mercilessly and with some of the most vile hatred and foul language I have ever seen? Your assumptions are in the light of your moralising tone, hypocritical and shallow.

“then please provide information that has not been repeated a million times” see above.

“i am simply stating that your arguments are weak” What evidence do you have for this? This is just another attack.

“all you are getting by posting in the manner you are is the support of extremist muslims who encourage the killings of people whos views differ from their own” Where do you get your Islam from, Fox? More Muslim children have been murdered in Gaza by the Zionists in 3 weeks than all Qadianis killed by persecution in the community’s history. Please re-adjust your perspective.

“all you are doing is creating hate ” your warped opinion.

“… and I think you are only doing all this for the attention it gets you…” conjecture and speculation. Expressly forbidden in Islam. How would you know my motives? You come here to judge me knowing nothing about me really.

“if you were actually concerned with converting ahmadis and showing them the right path you would not post the nonsense that you have posted” I didn’t post what I did to “convert ahmadis”. Further, it isn’t nonsense. That is only your hateful and arrogant opinion. I did it for a completely different reason. If you had actually read the post, you’d understand what I was posting about. As I said earlier, plenty of my posts elsewhere, including my videos, deal with the Ahmadiyya.

And frankly, your suggestion that I would promote hatred and violence against members of my own family are so insulting that I wonder what your agenda is.

Non- Muslim Killer February 8, 2009 at 7:22 pm

heh(at this site), couldnt expect anything intelliegent from sunnis. theyre drowing in their own blood, and the haze above them has blinded them, Sunnis are just disorder causing hate-living people that would love Doomsdayy to happen ASAP. Lets just hope Allah takes away the Qur’an from their hands and gives it to better men on this Earth.

Non- Muslim Killer February 8, 2009 at 7:24 pm

kill the INFIDELS- IN THE NAME OF SATAN

shahid February 8, 2009 at 11:58 pm

Do you Canadian Qadianis on Rogers Cable really think you’re doing a good job of defending your cult by being abusive towards Muslims?

Do any of you people actually know how to write well-formed English sentences?

Rizkhanae March 7, 2009 at 4:29 am

Dear Shahid,
I keep on reading material on Ahmadiyat. Its a religion of FREAK people. In the name of Islam and Hazrat Essa AS , Mirza Ghulam Ahmad made FOOL people around. Since British regime was afraid of Muslim religious sentiments of JIHAAD, they succeed to get a man from Muslim Community to work for them and distract Indian Muslims from their beleif.
Your efforts to keep the community aware of Ahmadies FILTHY mooves against ISLAM is very much appreciated.
May Almighty Allah BLESS you.

farooq March 7, 2009 at 10:38 pm

@ shahid
When i read literature in service of Islam by Lahore ahmadiyya Movement that totally knocks out the jews and christians false propaganda, which jew and christian enemies of islam are spew using the literature, speeches and actions of “scholars” (i.e. people whom you consider righteous, true and scholarly muslims) of islam, i am totally amazed by islamic academic excellence of Lahore ahamdiyya Movement. I have seen articles of jews and Christians on ‘Jihad Watch’ and their answers by Lahori ahamdies. i think no one has produced better literature in defense of islam than them.
this brings to mind if Mirza Ghulam ahmad was kind of a person as potrayed by you then how come his students produced such a scholarly literature on islam that totally knocks out allegations of jews and christians on Holy Quran, Holy prophet and Islam???
I think you need to redo your assessment.
following are websites of students of mirza ghulam ahmad:
http://ahmadiyya.org/
http://aaiil.org/
I will suggest you to read what mirza ghulam ahmad students wrote.

Raheel Adnan April 10, 2009 at 8:33 pm

Asslamo Alaikum,
Suspect paki or what ever your name is if your videos have been blocked then host them somewhere else dont attack a website .Host your videos somewhere else like normal people do .Many videos are deleted from youtube and other sites for there offensive reviews or bieng offensive.I am just saying to you dont start blaming on and on like maulvies and mullahs if you want one 2 one debate with ahmadies your welcome to do so if you ever go to london then go meet Hazoor your self if not then go to http://www.alislam.org and there is a contact address right your email and send them your request for one2one debate or just send me an email i will forward your request .

MY HOPE April 10, 2009 at 8:49 pm

Asslamo Alaikum
I can say nothing to change your mind you came to the right path but gone back i can only hope you find the right path again and hold on to it dont loose it again AHMADIYYAT is the true islam yes or not that only God knows we can only welcome you to the circle of peace but if your mind is not open to accept then nobody can change your mind arguing with you is useless until you dont hear others comment with open mind and plz if you dont like our religion and lost your way then be a good muslim and spread message of islam in the correct way you and if you pray five times a day and read Quran then why you are wasting your time here attacking others religion you should use that time to pray and Read Quran.You dont know which is the true sect only God knows you should leave this decision on God almighty and the Days of the End. Wasslam

Ahmad May 18, 2009 at 1:17 am

You consider yourself to be an ex-ahmadi and clearly we can see that you never found the beauty of the religion of Islam. It is said that truth always prevails and today we see that many people are converting into Ahmadiyyat, whether they were sunnis before or even Christian. That is because they have seen the beauty of Ahmadiyyat. You know that before converting, these people have read a lot about Ahmadiyyat and understand its true meaning. Indeed the message of Ahmadiyyat will prevail over all your false allegations. Inshallah.

Ahmad May 26, 2009 at 3:29 pm

It is funny to see non- Ahamdis challenging our beliefs. but please save your own future generation first. you people are trying to destoy us but Allah is destroying you people from inside. your corrupt Molvies are looting and encouraging people to blow themselves in the name of Allah. how pathetic.
We Ahamdis are defending the true Islamic values all over the world but your Molvies are defaming Islam.
Don’t get jelaous. if you think you are on the right path then pray that Ahamdiyya Jammat is destoryed then we will see Allah will desytoy who.
Let me relate a true story of a Molvie in uk. it was during the 4th Khalifa’s life time. He challenged that if you are one the right path then pray for Allah to destory us(Ahamdis). That Molvie prayed for our destruction but died on the other day and his whole deobandi movement was broken up and they started fighting amongst each other. Who is on the true path? think don’t get brainwashed by your Molvies.
Wassalam

shyanka August 1, 2009 at 2:37 am

Why is it that ALWAYS THAT IT IS THE MUSLIMS WHO VILLIFY MUSLIMS?
What is wrong with Mirza Ghulam Ahmad reminding of Allahutalla and our Holy Prophet Mummad (sal)?
If the world continued the way it is doing now, our children will be given a legacy of maniacs, plunderers, back biters, homicidal maniacs, liars, paedophiles and “gay lovers”
Mirza Ghulam Ahmad was only trying to bring us “sinners” back to our Creator, so why villify him and the Khalifa Masroor Ahmad?
They are doing a free service when they could easily do something else rather than wasting their time & money – to receive this type of TRASH?
THINK, THINK, THINK

LOVE FOR ALL, HATRED FOR NONE

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