Comments on: The End of Ahmadiyya? http://suspectpaki.com/2008/01/21/the-end-of-ahmadiyya/ 100% Muslim, 100% Londoner. Dealt with it. Sun, 22 Nov 2009 01:45:17 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Awab Abdul Qadir http://suspectpaki.com/2008/01/21/the-end-of-ahmadiyya/comment-page-1/#comment-3026 Awab Abdul Qadir Mon, 24 Nov 2008 05:09:36 +0000 http://www.suspectpaki.com/2008/01/21/the-end-of-ahmadiyya/#comment-3026 All you non-ahmadis are not getting the message we don't think our selves greater than all Muslim sects but we are saying that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad was the messiah which all of us were waiting for and he is a prophet, god has sent him down to re-guide the lost ones and all other religions so you shouldn't criticize us and if we were a false and bitter community then god would of destroyed us long before All you non-ahmadis are not getting the message we don’t think our selves greater than all Muslim sects but we are saying that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad was the messiah which all of us were waiting for and he is a prophet, god has sent him down to re-guide the lost ones and all other religions so you shouldn’t criticize us and if we were a false and bitter community then god would of destroyed us long before

]]> By: Mirza Masroor shakes Nazir-Ali’s Hand — Suspect Paki http://suspectpaki.com/2008/01/21/the-end-of-ahmadiyya/comment-page-1/#comment-2963 Mirza Masroor shakes Nazir-Ali’s Hand — Suspect Paki Sat, 25 Oct 2008 10:55:17 +0000 http://www.suspectpaki.com/2008/01/21/the-end-of-ahmadiyya/#comment-2963 [...] Want to know more? [...] [...] Want to know more? [...]

]]> By: Iqbal Khan http://suspectpaki.com/2008/01/21/the-end-of-ahmadiyya/comment-page-1/#comment-2768 Iqbal Khan Thu, 28 Aug 2008 11:09:38 +0000 http://www.suspectpaki.com/2008/01/21/the-end-of-ahmadiyya/#comment-2768 Younger generation of Qadianis is kept unaware of MGA' utterings and are only fed things which suit the royalty ie Mirza & Co cult.This keeps them minting money. P.S. I wonder if they multiple entry visas to heaven? Younger generation of Qadianis is kept unaware of MGA’ utterings and are only fed things which suit the royalty ie Mirza & Co cult.This keeps them minting money.
P.S. I wonder if they multiple entry visas to heaven?

]]> By: Yakoub http://suspectpaki.com/2008/01/21/the-end-of-ahmadiyya/comment-page-1/#comment-2729 Yakoub Fri, 01 Aug 2008 20:19:13 +0000 http://www.suspectpaki.com/2008/01/21/the-end-of-ahmadiyya/#comment-2729 Salaams - I routinely post news and features about all kinds of Muslims on my blog and website, primarily in relation to my interest in media representation of Islam/Muslims. Recently, I posted a story about Ahmadiyya on my blog and one of their leading lights has seen fit to post a corrective comment next to it -- which is fair dos. However, I only thought it fair to give those who hold a different view an opportunity to respond. Courteous comments only, please: http://anarchlyst.wordpress.com/2008/07/24/a-pilgrimage-to-the-end-of-the-northern-line/ Salaams – I routinely post news and features about all kinds of Muslims on my blog and website, primarily in relation to my interest in media representation of Islam/Muslims. Recently, I posted a story about Ahmadiyya on my blog and one of their leading lights has seen fit to post a corrective comment next to it — which is fair dos. However, I only thought it fair to give those who hold a different view an opportunity to respond. Courteous comments only, please:

http://anarchlyst.wordpress.com/2008/07/24/a-pilgrimage-to-the-end-of-the-northern-line/

]]> By: Rene Wadlow http://suspectpaki.com/2008/01/21/the-end-of-ahmadiyya/comment-page-1/#comment-2684 Rene Wadlow Tue, 17 Jun 2008 16:08:10 +0000 http://www.suspectpaki.com/2008/01/21/the-end-of-ahmadiyya/#comment-2684 Dear Colleague, Citizens of the World have a strong tradition of defending freedom of conscience or religion or belief. We have been guided by the Preamble to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights which states that " the advent of a world in which human beings shall enjoy freedom of speech and belief and freedom from fear and want has been proclaimed as the highest aspiration of the common people." World citizens participated actively in the long negotiation process which led to the UN General Assembly Declaration on the Elimination of All Forms of Intolerance and of Discrimination Based on Religion or Belief. (Resolution 36/55 of 25 November 1981). World Citizens have played a role in highlighting the situation of the Baha'i in Iran, Buddhists in Tibet, and the Mandaeans and the Yezidi in Iraq. We had also raised earlier the discrimination against the Ahmadiyyat Islamic movement in Pakistan. Now, there seems to be pressure against the Ahmadiyya in Indonesia which could spill over into mob-type violence against its followers. Therefore, there is an important 'early warning' task of non-governmental organizations to point out danger signs and to call for efforts to protect liberty of conscience. Below is my oral presentation to the UN Human Rights Council of 17 June 2008. NGO representative have only a three-minute speaking time which makes detailed analysis of a situation difficult. However, the warning has been presented. I would be pleased if you could alert others to this situation and to work for the restoration of mutual understanding among people of different religious movements in Indonesia. Thank you for your help. Sincerely, Rene Wadlow, Representative to the UN, Geneva, Association of World Citizens Mr President: One of the important functions of NGO representatives in the work of our Council is that of "early warning". By calling attention at the first signs of danger, our hope is that governments and NGOs working together in a cooperative spirit can uphold universally recognized human rights standards. Our aim is to avoid violence and to prevent an escalation of tensions which often take on a life of their own. It is in this spirit that we raise what seems to be a growing pressure against the Ahmadiyyat branch of Islam in Indonesia.(1) We raise it here under agenda item 9 as the defamation of a religion can be understood as attacks without reasoned discussion on the doctrine of a religion, on the founder of a religious movement or on the current representatives of a religious movement. Thus attacks on the Ahmadiyya are often focused on the founder of the movement -Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad who is considered by his followers as the promised Madhi who is to mark the birth of a new era. The movement began in the early 1880s in what was then British India's Punjab provence, now split between India and Pakistan. From there, the movement has spread to many different countries, including Indonesia. In normally tolerant Indonesia, the Ahmadiyyat movement has carried on its activities of worship, education and social services in relative peace for many years. The causes of the recent flair up of defamation against the founder and the charges of being heretics against the Ahmadiyya followers need to be looked at carefully if we are to prevent what seems to be some violent attacks against followers followed by police closings of places of worship. The constant defamation of the founder should serve as a warning. In cooperation with the Government of Indonesia, the Council must do all it can to encourage the restoration of mutual understanding among people of different religious movements. Thank you Mr. President (1) A useful description of tensions is in the article by Peter Gelling "Sect in Indonesia fears attacks on its members " International Herald Tribune, ll June 2008 Dear Colleague,

Citizens of the World have a strong tradition of defending freedom of conscience or religion or belief. We have been guided by the Preamble to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights which states that ” the advent of a world in which human beings shall enjoy freedom of speech and belief and freedom from fear and want has been proclaimed as the highest aspiration of the common people.”

World citizens participated actively in the long negotiation process which led to the UN General Assembly Declaration on the Elimination of All Forms of Intolerance and of Discrimination Based on Religion or Belief. (Resolution 36/55 of 25 November 1981).

World Citizens have played a role in highlighting the situation of the Baha’i in Iran, Buddhists in Tibet, and the Mandaeans and the Yezidi in Iraq. We had also raised earlier the discrimination against the Ahmadiyyat Islamic movement in Pakistan. Now, there seems to be pressure against the Ahmadiyya in Indonesia which could spill over into mob-type violence against its followers. Therefore, there is an important ‘early warning’ task of non-governmental organizations to point out danger signs and to call for efforts to protect liberty of conscience.

Below is my oral presentation to the UN Human Rights Council of 17 June 2008. NGO representative have only a three-minute speaking time which makes detailed analysis of a situation difficult. However, the warning has been presented. I would be pleased if you could alert others to this situation and to work for the restoration of mutual understanding among people of different religious movements in Indonesia.

Thank you for your help. Sincerely, Rene Wadlow, Representative to the UN, Geneva,
Association of World Citizens

Mr President:

One of the important functions of NGO representatives in the work of our Council is that of “early warning”. By calling attention at the first signs of danger, our hope is that governments and NGOs working together in a cooperative spirit can uphold universally recognized human rights standards. Our aim is to avoid violence and to prevent an escalation of tensions which often take on a life of their own.

It is in this spirit that we raise what seems to be a growing pressure against the Ahmadiyyat branch of Islam in Indonesia.(1) We raise it here under agenda item 9 as the defamation of a religion can be understood as attacks without reasoned discussion on the doctrine of a religion, on the founder of a religious movement or on the current representatives of a religious movement.

Thus attacks on the Ahmadiyya are often focused on the founder of the movement -Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad who is considered by his followers as the promised Madhi who is to mark the birth of a new era. The movement began in the early 1880s in what was then British India’s Punjab provence, now split between India and Pakistan.

From there, the movement has spread to many different countries, including Indonesia. In normally tolerant Indonesia, the Ahmadiyyat movement has carried on its activities of worship, education and social services in relative peace for many years.

The causes of the recent flair up of defamation against the founder and the charges of being heretics against the Ahmadiyya followers need to be looked at carefully if we are to prevent what seems to be some violent attacks against followers followed by police closings of places of worship. The constant defamation of the founder should serve as a warning. In cooperation with the Government of Indonesia, the Council must do all it can to encourage the restoration of mutual understanding among people of different religious movements.

Thank you Mr. President

(1) A useful description of tensions is in the article by Peter Gelling “Sect in Indonesia fears attacks on its members ” International Herald Tribune, ll June 2008

]]> By: paki.fm » Blog Archive » Suspect PAki Reckons the end of Ahmadiyya http://suspectpaki.com/2008/01/21/the-end-of-ahmadiyya/comment-page-1/#comment-2481 paki.fm » Blog Archive » Suspect PAki Reckons the end of Ahmadiyya Sun, 10 Feb 2008 17:39:16 +0000 http://www.suspectpaki.com/2008/01/21/the-end-of-ahmadiyya/#comment-2481 [...] The End of Ahmadiyya? By shahid It certainly looks like?the end of the road for the Ahmadiyya.?In Indonesia, as in the rest of the world, the Ahmadiyya are not just considered a heretical sect by Muslims, but as a treacherous one.Now it appears that the foundations of … <http://www.suspectpaki.com/2008/01/21/the-end-of-ahmadiyya/> [...] [...] The End of Ahmadiyya? By shahid It certainly looks like?the end of the road for the Ahmadiyya.?In Indonesia, as in the rest of the world, the Ahmadiyya are not just considered a heretical sect by Muslims, but as a treacherous one.Now it appears that the foundations of … <http://www.suspectpaki.com/2008/01/21/the-end-of-ahmadiyya/> [...]

]]> By: Tazmanian http://suspectpaki.com/2008/01/21/the-end-of-ahmadiyya/comment-page-1/#comment-2482 Tazmanian Mon, 28 Jan 2008 17:46:29 +0000 http://www.suspectpaki.com/2008/01/21/the-end-of-ahmadiyya/#comment-2482 These people sound like complete kuffar to me and should be treated as such. These people sound like complete kuffar to me and should be treated as such.

]]> By: Pleezing One http://suspectpaki.com/2008/01/21/the-end-of-ahmadiyya/comment-page-1/#comment-2483 Pleezing One Wed, 23 Jan 2008 03:26:59 +0000 http://www.suspectpaki.com/2008/01/21/the-end-of-ahmadiyya/#comment-2483 Arya dharam RK 10 page 73-74 pdf 75-76 According to my suggestion, if European hoers are provided for European soldiers, then, firstly there will be no risk of syphilis (VD) because perhaps these no such disease exists in Europe, secondly, they will be examined by desi doctors at the time of selection like any soldier. By this, there will be no need of medical exams anymore as both the parties will be free of disease and this will be a good arrangement to satisfy the soldiers? sexual desires without the need of law of internal examination. No one can deny the fact that, like in India there are prostitutes in England. Therefore, there will be no difficulty in arranging this. Rather, I am certain that European civilized prostitutes will gladly offer their services to keep the brave soldiers happy. And for the huge expenses that will incur on bringing them to India, the Indian citizens will feel no burden. Arya dharam RK 10 page 73-74 pdf 75-76

According to my suggestion, if European hoers are provided for European soldiers, then, firstly there will be no risk of syphilis (VD) because perhaps these no such disease exists in Europe, secondly, they will be examined by desi doctors at the time of selection like any soldier. By this, there will be no need of medical exams anymore as both the parties will be free of disease and this will be a good arrangement to satisfy the soldiers? sexual desires without the need of law of internal examination.

No one can deny the fact that, like in India there are prostitutes in England. Therefore, there will be no difficulty in arranging this. Rather, I am certain that European civilized prostitutes will gladly offer their services to keep the brave soldiers happy. And for the huge expenses that will incur on bringing them to India, the Indian citizens will feel no burden.

]]> By: Pleeezing One http://suspectpaki.com/2008/01/21/the-end-of-ahmadiyya/comment-page-1/#comment-2484 Pleeezing One Wed, 23 Jan 2008 03:24:50 +0000 http://www.suspectpaki.com/2008/01/21/the-end-of-ahmadiyya/#comment-2484 NOBLE THOUGHT OF MIRZA GHULAM VICTORIA QADIANI Arya Dharam pages 73-76 rk 10 According to my suggestion, if European hoers are provided for European soldiers, then, firstly there will be no risk of syphilis (VD) because perhaps these no such disease exists in Europe, secondly, they will be examined by desi doctors at the time of selection like any soldier. By this, there will be no need of medical exams anymore as both the parties will be free of disease and this will be a good arrangement to satisfy the soldiers? sexual desires without the need of law of internal examination. No one can deny the fact that, like in India there are prostitutes in England. Therefore, there will be no difficulty in arranging this. Rather, I am certain that European civilized prostitutes will gladly offer their services to keep the brave soldiers happy. And for the huge expenses that will incur on bringing them to India from Europe, the Indian citizens will feel no burden. NOBLE THOUGHT OF MIRZA GHULAM VICTORIA QADIANI

Arya Dharam pages 73-76 rk 10

According to my suggestion, if European hoers are provided for European soldiers, then, firstly there will be no risk of syphilis (VD) because perhaps these no such disease exists in Europe, secondly, they will be examined by desi doctors at the time of selection like any soldier. By this, there will be no need of medical exams anymore as both the parties will be free of disease and this will be a good arrangement to satisfy the soldiers? sexual desires without the need of law of internal examination.

No one can deny the fact that, like in India there are prostitutes in England. Therefore, there will be no difficulty in arranging this. Rather, I am certain that European civilized prostitutes will gladly offer their services to keep the brave soldiers happy. And for the huge expenses that will incur on bringing them to India from Europe, the Indian citizens will feel no burden.

]]> By: Pleeezing One http://suspectpaki.com/2008/01/21/the-end-of-ahmadiyya/comment-page-1/#comment-2488 Pleeezing One Wed, 23 Jan 2008 03:23:39 +0000 http://www.suspectpaki.com/2008/01/21/the-end-of-ahmadiyya/#comment-2488 NOBLE THOUGHT OF MIRZA GHULAM VICTORIA QADIANI Arya dharam RK 10 page 73-74 pdf 75-76 According to my suggestion, if European hoers are provided for European soldiers, then, firstly there will be no risk of syphilis (VD) because perhaps these no such disease exists in Europe, secondly, they will be examined by desi doctors at the time of selection like any soldier. By this, there will be no need of medical exams anymore as both the parties will be free of disease and this will be a good arrangement to satisfy the soldiers? sexual desires without the need of law of internal examination. No one can deny the fact that, like in India there are prostitutes in England. Therefore, there will be no difficulty in arranging this. Rather, I am certain that European civilized prostitutes will gladly offer their services to keep the brave soldiers happy. And for the huge expenses that will incur on bringing them to India from Europe, the Indian citizens will feel no burden. NOBLE THOUGHT OF MIRZA GHULAM VICTORIA QADIANI

Arya dharam RK 10 page 73-74 pdf 75-76

According to my suggestion, if European hoers are provided for European soldiers, then, firstly there will be no risk of syphilis (VD) because perhaps these no such disease exists in Europe, secondly, they will be examined by desi doctors at the time of selection like any soldier. By this, there will be no need of medical exams anymore as both the parties will be free of disease and this will be a good arrangement to satisfy the soldiers? sexual desires without the need of law of internal examination.

No one can deny the fact that, like in India there are prostitutes in England. Therefore, there will be no difficulty in arranging this. Rather, I am certain that European civilized prostitutes will gladly offer their services to keep the brave soldiers happy. And for the huge expenses that will incur on bringing them to India from Europe, the Indian citizens will feel no burden.

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