Comments on: A Fracture in Belief – Morden Islamic Centre

By: Farhan

Farhan — Sun, 05 Jul 2009 18:35:58 +0000

I would be interested in a recording of the talk

By: Qadiyan

Qadiyan — Thu, 02 Jul 2009 04:22:24 +0000

Reply to Shahid.
I replied to your comment post but the owner of this blog has not posted my comments. This is just to let you know. Thanks.

By: jon doy

jon doy — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 23:51:32 +0000

nice one Shahid

i’d be interested to watch the talk

By: Umair Munam

Umair Munam — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 19:57:10 +0000

Firstly, I don’t understand the comment posted by Yakoub, so if Yakoub or someone else could kindly explain, that would be appreciated.
To the author:
The utter illogicality of some of your statements is overwhelming. Some of these I will point out shortly. Sorry to burst your bubble, but the “love”, “respect” and “kindness” you’re feeling around yourself is to a great degree, if not completely because of your shared hatred with these Muslims. Even if a Christian or a Jew told these Muslims that (s)he hated Ahmadis, they would “love” him just as much if not more and would not hesitate to aid them in spreading this hatred to the widest audience possible. Say you were to go back to Ahmadiyyat. Let’s just consider that possibility for a moment. Correct me if I’m wrong, but wouldn’t it be “wajib” on these Muslims to murder you in the name of Islam, since you would be a “murtad”? I must say, what great affection! Also, consider not telling people you are an ex-Ahmadi to a gathering like such and giving a speech there about some Islamic issue and don’t mention anything against Ahmadis/Ahmadiyya views and then tell me what the turnout is like. First you say”…So Christians should be wary of Qadianism…”, later you’re saying, “…Sure, the West might like their cuddly pronouncements…”, which one of these do you truly believe, as to me it seems, one cannot believe in both those statements.

By: Qadiyan

Qadiyan — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 19:48:46 +0000

@Shahid
The post writer said the person who believes in Mirza Ghulam Ahmed is not a Muslim. I raised a question on what is the definition of a Muslim. Being a Muslim or not a Muslim has nothing to do with believing in Mirza Ghulam Ahmed. The reason I said is that if Mirza Ghulam Ahmed is not the Promised Messaya then somebody else will be. So if someone don’t believe in that person (another person who will claim to be Promised Messaya) still you would call him a non-Muslim? So what would be your basic definition of a Muslim? Let us stick to the point on the definition of a Muslim. That is the point I raised and that I would like to hear your point of view. That is it.

By: shahid

shahid — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 18:33:31 +0000

@Qadiyan

1) Please list the “73 sects”

2) Muslims already believe in Jesus, son of Mary as the Messiah.

3) Ahmadis believe in Mirza Ghulam Ahmad as a prophet, belief in any new prophet immediately creates a schism – those who believe and those who do not. Muslims were spared this fitna by 33:40, which Mirza Ghulam Ahmad understood for most of his life.

@Yakoub – brother you have my sympathy (for having to keep quiet at a gloating Qadiani)

By: Qadiyan

Qadiyan — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 04:41:07 +0000

It is not clear what exactly you wanted to say. You don’t agree with Ahmadiyya beliefs that is fine. There believed to be 73 sects in Islam. Definitely they don’t agree with each other that is why they exist. If you wanted to say that you got a lot of respect during your presentation that is also nice. Great. But I think you should clearly state why you are warning your readers about Ahamdiyya sect. Mirza Ghulam Ahmed claims he is the Promised Messaya. If you believe he is not the one then it is fine, wait for the next person to claim to be the Promised Messaya. Muslims and Christians and others are equally waiting for the Promised Messaya. You said Ahmadiyya are not Muslim. If that is what you believe, that is fine. But the question is, if you believe Mirza Ghulam Ahmed is not the correct Messaya then when correct Messaya will appear and claim there would be people among Muslims who would not believe him so you would also call them non-Muslims. So what is your definition of a Muslim?

By: Yakoub

Yakoub — Tue, 30 Jun 2009 12:48:04 +0000

Salaams – since I started reading/watching your stuff on Ahmadiyya, I’ve finally met one – he came to my house to do a benefits assessment. I’m not about to pick an argument with someone responsible for my benefit claim, and I suspect he knew that as he launched into an epiphany about Ahmadiyya, during which he told me he got up at 5am every morning to go jogging. At that point, I had to interject, pointing out, “You wouldn’t be so bright if you had a profoundly autistic child who empties your airing cupboard at 2 in the morning!” That shut him up.